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3 years ago

Who has invented more words, men or women?

This girl I’m seeing and I are in an argument about whether I should have tipped at dinner last night, and I brought up that the receipt asked for “gratuity,” not “tip.” my buddies who have done some service hours at the food bank have told me that gratuity is just basically a way to say thanks with your money, while a tip is expected. So I told this girl that I used that definition and I didn’t think the meal was worthy of a thanks. She majorly pushed back and said I was listening to the advice of some “random dudes.” So I brought up that men have invented way more words, and she asked where I got that from. Well that stumped me. Google and Chat GBB didn’t have an answer, so I figured y’all might? I know I’m right about it I just want proof so I can win this stupid fight.

August 17th, 2023

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cat-head

3 years ago

WTF is this thread. Not banning you because this is your first offense. But, dude.

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Oswyt3hMihtig

3 years ago

You sound unpleasant to be around.

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aesthetic_coconut

3 years ago

lmao

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dragonsteel33

3 years ago

words are very rarely “invented,” at least not in any way you seem to mean or we can understand or have clear records of. i suspect more words are probably first recorded in writings by men, but that’s because more writings by men have been published & preserved, for reasons i’m sure you can guess. there’s some evidence that women actually lead linguistic change, probably because women have historically been the ones who teach the next generation to speak.

by the way, your girlfriend is right. at least in the us, “tip” and “gratuity” mean the same thing, and you should always tip your server

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[deleted]

3 years ago

Why did u assume men had made more? It's generally not advised to make statements like that without knowing. But either way, hard to know, words aren't often invented they usually develop and merge and stuff from preexisting things or older things which if u trace it back would be just made up but we have no clue who by cos nobody does. Sometimes words are invented like in science and writers and stuff, like Shakespeare made a bunch and new words are made very often via preexisting morphemes by biologists and doctors and the like. And contrary to popular belief ratio of women to men in science is only slightly leaning to the male side by about 7 percent, so we can't say men just because of something like that it's not really enough.

So in conclusion, don't make factual statements that u have no remote proof of, and we have no idea. If this sounds angry or critical it's not I'm just tired and don't have the energy to soften my tone.

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juanzos

3 years ago

A tip and a gratuity are synonyms. Words are coined randomly, there's more written work left by men because of misogyny and patriarchy, so there's no way to make a substantial historical analysis of such a tendency and you bringing it up as a fact is kind of stupid.

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SignificantBeing9

3 years ago

All the other answers are right; gratuity and tip are the same, you should tip your server, and there’s no way to know whether men or women have invented more words because the written record is vastly tipped in favor of men. However, if I had to guess, I would guess that men may have coined more, at least in the West in recent centuries. One major source for new vocabulary is loanwords; in particular I’m thinking of words loaned or coined from the Classical languages, Latin and Greek. Men would on average be more educated than women until recently and for the entirety of the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, and the Early Modern period, education in Europe meant knowledge of Greek and/or Latin. Men would also be more likely to be the ones discussing scientific or other intellectual topics where new Classical compounds might be loaned or coined. Of course, women could also do this and could also be educated, and the written record makes it impossible to confirm, but that is my suspicion. Though whatever the answer is, it doesn’t have anything to do with who currently has the “authority” to decide what words mean

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Spare-Machine6105

3 years ago

There is no way you can produce evidence for your claim that men have invented more words than women. For most of human history we did not have written language and we do not have records of who invented the words that were used and are no longer used by the time humans started writing words.

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topherette

3 years ago

sounds like a troll question

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Chubbchubbzza007

3 years ago

Also, it’s Chat GPT, not GBB.

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Gravbar

3 years ago

typically the etymology of a word is a terrible way to argue about what it means right now

a gratuity and a tip are the same thing. In the US always tip your server.

Whether men or women innovate more language might be an interesting question, but I don't know that we have any hard evidence about who has done so historically.

Whether men or women invented more words is completely irrelevant to any argument you might be having about what a word means, that's a false appeal to authority. Even if men have innovated more vocabulary than women, that doesn't mean the random dudes at the foodbank know what a gratuity is. A gratuity and a tip are identical in American English in the context of a restaurant, and there's no historical or etymological argument about what these words used to mean that will change that. In fact, tips were also used as a way to say thank you in the past, but for decades it has been extremely rude not to tip your server because of the way the tipping system works. Waiters get paid less than minimum wage because they are expected to get most of thei wage from tips. This is true whether the receipt says gratuity or tip. The reason tipping is mandatory is this system, so no matter what they call it on the receipt, you should tip.

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Youssra-Fathi1998

3 years ago

You can collect different texts from both gender. Then use corpus to support your hypothsesis with evidence. You cannot say this randomly without studies you've done. It does not depend on two or three examples.

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ostuberoes

3 years ago

Do this poor woman a favor and stop dating.

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bnjmn17

3 years ago

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/teenage-girls-have-been-revolutionizing-language-16th-century-180956216/

You might find this interesting. While not the same thing as "inventing words", necessarily, (there are lots of other ways new words enter our vocabularies/language...) young women have historically been driving some serious linguistic change. (One of my favorite examples is "hath" and "doth" becoming "has" and "does", it's mentioned in this article but I also learned about it at Planet Word in DC, just while we're speaking about the importance of educating ourselves before making assumptions)

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[deleted]

3 years ago

teen speak is one of my favorite linguistic topics so i’m actually glad i knew this answer! there’s a saying that sociolinguists look at rural men to understand how language was spoken while they look at young women to see how language is spoken

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3 years ago

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[deleted]

3 years ago

wtf are you even talking about?

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cat-head

3 years ago

I don't understand what's going on here either... it's too bizarre.

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