November 11th, 2020
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God has never let me down
Call this anecdotal evidence if you will, but since I can't experience anyone else's POV, my experience is the only one that matters. Let's get into the facts:
I dated an atheist in college. He and I debated a lot. We both were very argumentative and our theologies almost led us to break up a few times. One night whilst at a showing of Jesus Christ Superstar, my bf had a seizure during intermission. When he came to, he simply said "you've been right this whole time." We continued dating and eventually broke up. He's a monk now.
Whenever I need money, I pray and get it somehow. After my lousy ex-husband lost a bunch of money on a terrible investment, we were so close to losing the house. I simply prayed, and the next day, my husband received news that there was a lawsuit being filed against the company he invested in for misleading the shareholders. He signed on and regained all of the money, plus some.
Whenever I am troubled, I open the Bible to a random page, and it is ALWAYS to a relevant page.
Biden winning Arizona? You should thank me and my fellow congregants for that. We prayed for hours straight.
When my son was trying to get into a good college, he had the perfect transcript except for one class: Woodshop. The teacher had it out for him and was going to ruin his grade with their bridge assignment, but lo and behold, two days before the assignment was due, he was left at the altar and had a psychotic episode. The substitute teacher ended up giving him an A. My son just graduated top of his class from BU.
After I divorced by husband, he threatened to ruin my life. He was a very spiteful man. That exact same day, while I was looking through my closet for an old cookbook, I found some heroin. Sent him a picture and said "bet your employer wouldn't like to know about this." I now have the man by the balls.
There are so much more examples, but I think that's enough to prove my point
November 11th, 2020
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Kelyaan
More than likely, it reads like a low effort post
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LuciusDickusMaximus
This is this a Pakistani Community Account, meaning hundreds of people post on this account. Sorry for the confusion!
Coollogin
Why are you posting with a Pakistani community account?
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LuciusDickusMaximus
"Answer: Hey! This is the user account from that post, and I'm the manager. The gist is, Reddit was banned in Pakistan nearly a decade ago. To remedy this, some tech savvy people set up VPN networks that allowed Pakistanis to illegally browse reddit. (Mind you this was before VPNs were as widespread in Pakistan as they are today). They were disguised as American accounts (hence LuciusDickusMaximus). A wide array of users were able to access a few centralized accounts; they were set up as communal accounts as to not arouse suspicion from the government. You may have not heard of them because they were kept secret.
After VPNs became popularized, Pakistani people could access reddit by themselves, so these accounts were largely abandoned. Then, a miraculous recovery happened in England from redditors who had to use a burner account for whatever reason. It was easier than creating a throwaway. It was at this time when the name Pakistan Commune Account (or PCA) was popularized. Before then, they had no formal name.
Since then, PCAs have been growing, used and accessed by people living across the world. Now, nearly 3% of accounts on reddit. This is only an estimate, because many are hidden among us, but most are known and easily recognizable due to their crazy post history. Hope this helps! "
Coollogin
Let me re-phrase the question: Why are you not posting on a personal account that is unique to you?
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I think she's using a shared account. These accounts are pretty common. There's usually one guy who owns the account, and lends it to other users. I've used these on other forums.
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Unlimited_Bacon
I think she's using a shared account. These accounts are pretty common.
Why? Sharing a Netflix account is understandable, but reddit?
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mrbaryonyx
but i thought you lived in arizona?
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the_sleep_of_reason
Hundreds of people, using the same punctuation, phrases, wording and all of them trolling. What an amazing coincidence.
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NittanyScout
Lol I hope your a troll or religious people really do have a weird sense of good, i would call a seizure and subsequent radical change in thinking to be a good sign... Also no, you did not win for biden just like Kelley Ann Conway didn't win for trump 4 years ago. Its votes not prayers
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briantheunfazed
Damn, I already did. Oh well.
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kevinLFC
He’s using the same logic you’re using. If Biden winning is evidence for prayer working, then surely a bad marriage is evidence against it. Counting the hits and ignoring the misses is a psychological trap I see religious people often engaging in.
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NeutralLock
Perhaps I’ve misspoke and I’m sorry.
If you’re going to attribute your luck to God, then you need to attribute bad luck as well. I would never make a comment about what happened to you except in a specific circumstance where you literally asked for counter-evidence.
You’re posting in r/DebateAnAtheist. Not like you’re being trolled in a Christian safe space.
And what you’ve posted is poor quality evidence.
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kiwi_in_england
I know that you were provoked, plus please refrain from this sort of attack
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brian9000
Fuck you
Your English in unbelievably good bruh.
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rraattbbooyy
As with most subjects, George Carlin finds a way to cut through the nonsense and find the truth.
His thoughts on praying.
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What method have you employed to determine these good fortunes were the result of a god intervening?
It's also very convenient to count the good things, attribute them to god, while completely ignoring all the bad things. For example, you claim to have had a lousy husband .... why would god allow a lousy husband that caused you pain and agony.
How would you possible square your personal "god interventions," all leading to good outcomes, with the fact that nine million children starve to death every year. Do you really think a god intervened on your behalf, and gave your son an "A" in woodshop, while millions of children are starving - what kind of god is this?
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Kelyaan
You think god has never let you down - You've no evidence to back this up though.
1 - So he had a medical issue which effected his mind since he suddenly changed his mind with 0 evidence, He should seek help
2 - Prayer works less than random chance, meaning prayer is useless. Also you have no way of proving that prayer gets you money
3 - Cherry picking, I can do that with any religious book if I interoperate it that way
4 - get the fuck out you're grasping at straws now
5 - Cool story
6 - cool story way to admit you're actually an awful person who is in no way a follower of god if you'd just throw your religious teachings away. this did nothing to help your point
Ok so what? none of this has anything to do with god or proves god in any way.
my experience is the only one that matters. Let's get into the facts:
Your experience actually doesn't matter what so ever and also they are not facts, they are unfounded claims
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briantheunfazed
How would you respond to the opposite of your personal examples which are also true? What about closer evaluation of the other people in your examples?
People have similar de-conversion stories. I myself had my epiphany that I no longer believed in what was my denomination’s holiest place, and it felt more peaceful and right than any religious experience I’ve ever had.
People who need money, food, shelter, etc. pray for it every day. Why are your prayers answered and theirs aren’t? Does god just like you more?
You could do this with a book of poetry or Alan Watts. And if you’re being honest, you have to work sometimes to make it relevant. Our brains are great at finding patterns and connections even when there are none, sometimes it’s easy, sometimes it takes more work.
People prayed for Clinton to win last time, and she didn’t. People prayed for Trump to win the first time, and he did. People prayed for Trump to win this time, and he didn’t. So who is god listening to? Your fellow congregants? Why does he like you and your fellow congregants more than other people whose prayers don’t change anything?
This one is actually pretty disgusting. You’re not only comfortable with, but glorify the idea that god would ruin someone’s life and mental health for your son to get an A on a project. Your god thinks your son is so great that an A on a project was so important that he pulled a few strings and devastated another human being. If this is how god works, I want no part in it.
This has happened to people who don’t believe in god. There are plenty of these stories on r/nuclearrevenge that don’t involve god. Is god doing the same thing for people regardless of their beliefs, while he’s also ignoring prayers and ruining people for your son’s grade?
None of your examples prove your point. They prove that if you believe I’m god, anything that happens to you is proof of god, even if people who don’t believe in good have the same experiences, or other people who believe in god don’t get the same wonderful experience you do. How do you say for sure what is because of god and what isn’t. How do you explain the believers god helps alongside the believers god ignores?
Your examples don’t only fall short because they are just personal experiences, they fall short because they raise more questions about god than they answer.
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LuciusDickusMaximus
Some, including me, are preselected. Sucks for the rest, like my ex-husband, but that's life.
e5892
So an all-powerful and all-loving being helps some people and completely ignores because they were preselected? If thats the god you believe in than he's either not all-powerful or just a sadist. An all-powerful being that loves everyone ewually doesn't help someone and completely ignore someone else, oby which criteria would people even be chosen?
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TheInfidelephant
I don't believe in a god, but - anecdotally - I live a fulfilling life and I am commonly intrigued by how often random circumstance works out in my favor.
I rely on no god, and I pray to nothing - yet good things still happen.
Weird, huh?
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tdawg-1551
Sounds like a bunch of coincidence or made up stories, definitely not proof of anything.
Why haven't you prayed to get rid of COVID and get life back to normal?
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robbdire
Harry Potter has never let me down either.
Fictional characters can not do anything. They're fictional.
Everything you posted there is random chance and coincidence. Nothing more. Hell the power of prayer has been tested and proven to have zero impact multiple times.
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Posted by /u/LuciusDickusMaximus. Archived by Archive-Bot at 2020-11-11 16:14:12 GMT.
God has never let me down
Call this anecdotal evidence if you will, but since I can't experience anyone else's POV, my experience is the only one that matters. Let's get into the facts:
- I dated an atheist in college. He and I debated a lot. We both were very argumentative and our theologies almost led us to break up a few times. One night whilst at a showing of Jesus Christ Superstar, my bf had a seizure during intermission. When he came to, he simply said "you've been right this whole time." We continued dating and eventually broke up. He's a monk now.
- Whenever I need money, I pray and get it somehow. After my lousy ex-husband lost a bunch of money on a terrible investment, we were so close to losing the house. I simply prayed, and the next day, my husband received news that there was a lawsuit being filed against the company he invested in for misleading the shareholders. He signed on and regained all of the money, plus some.
- Whenever I am troubled, I open the Bible to a random page, and it is ALWAYS to a relevant page.
- Biden winning Arizona? You should thank me and my fellow congregants for that. We prayed for hours straight.
- When my son was trying to get into a good college, he had the perfect transcript except for one class: Woodshop. The teacher had it out for him and was going to ruin his grade with their bridge assignment, but lo and behold, two days before the assignment was due, he was left at the altar and had a psychotic episode. The substitute teacher ended up giving him an A. My son just graduated top of his class from BU.
- After I divorced by husband, he threatened to ruin my life. He was a very spiteful man. That exact same day, while I was looking through my closet for an old cookbook, I found some heroin. Sent him a picture and said "bet your employer wouldn't like to know about this." I now have the man by the balls.
There are so much more examples, but I think that's enough to prove my point
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I need money, I pray and get it somehow
I'm so happy for you, I really am. Could you explain why millions, or is it billions by now, have had utterly shit lives despite a complete and utter faith in the lord? What is it about you that warrants gods particular attention?
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VeritableFury
- This is more his experience than yours. I don't see how this is convincing. Surely there have been instances of people having some sudden experience that convinces them of the teachings of Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism.
- Your prayer is not necessarily causally related to the following lawsuit. Not to mention that if God was looking out for you, doesn't it make more sense that you wouldn't have lost all that money and ended up under all that stress? What about people who didn't get involved with the investment? Do you think they might also believe that God saved them from losing that money?
- Lives are complicated, and the Bible has a lot of general advice and suggestions, particularly in the NT. It's not altogether surprising that you might find a verse that at least somewhat applies to your situation. Again, one could likely make the same argument with the Quran.
- Did you also pray during the 2016 election? What about those who prayed that AZ would go to Trump? Why did God listen to your prayer and not theirs?
- I don't really know what to do with that information. There's nothing convincing that it was God who intervened and not simply the teacher's own mental and physical health. I hope the teacher is doing better now.
- So...why did God not watch out for you when you decided to marry this man who would one day go on to do or at least own heroin?
Frankly, all of this sounds like confirmation bias. What about those people who struggle constantly and say that God is testing them? What makes you the lucky person that God decides to bless rather than someone else?
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